Wow. Definitely happy I started speculated on Marauders a couple months ago. Wallet Win!

Changes definitely look good. Though kinda worried they might be a bit OP'd with the Ody 1.1 changes to local reps. Especially when you get a group of them jumping around in small gang fights.

Its the rep bonus that makes the package. Remember reps are also getting buffed so these things will be getting a monster of a tank while in stand your ground mode.

Scrapping bastion means scrapping any work Art has already done on the transformation and remodeling. Something I seriously doubt CCP is willing to do.

As a missile user I must say that a web bonus on the Golem seems very stupid. I would much prefer a increase in explosion velocity or a 2nd bonus to TP instead.

So don't fly it. Fly a pirate battleship. Sell your Marauder and get on with your life.

So basically waste more slots on tank, which ruins the point of using a marauder. That was the draw of a tanking bonus, to use fewer slots for tank. If a change negates that, it's not a good change for the ship so far as PvE is concerned.

Now try level 5s. 2500 DPS EM/Therm and you're neuted dry permanently. Go.

You are completely missing the point. It's not about needing more, it's that the same was achievable with less under the original proposal. Bastion+tank bonus made 2 slots viable. You're using 5+ low grade crystals. That's part of the point.

What we're also saying is that this makes 2 of the 4 marauders objectively worse for PvE against their primary factions and despite your insults you haven't even attempted proving otherwise. Yes, there is a limit to what tank you need, but that doesn't in any way justify making half the affected ships weaker in their PvE use.

I'm sorry but both of these fits are absolutely terrible, esp the RNI one. damage application vs anything smaller than a BS is horrid. doesn't matter if you do 1100 dps if you can only apply half of it vs cruisers.

So before you start calling others terrible, get a clue yourself.

After taking a break from this discussion, I have thought over how the Bastion Module should work. The original idea was sound and just needed tweaking. As marauders are basically half the isk of a dread give or take, I would propose that the bastion module was underwhelming, not overpowered. If this is going to be worth anything, Marauder damage in bastion needs to be around 3-4k dps, otherwise just bring more normal battleships or a dread. It should able to put out the most damage by far sub cap in Bastion mode. Rep bonus should work something like the Siege Module now, 100% to rep and -50% cycle time. Damage and projection should both go up. 200% damage and 50% optimal / falloff / missile velocity. Make it worth it to fit / skill or we will just fly other ships. I am completely ok with this module having fuel, as long as the marauder gets extra hold for it.

What for?

BTw I would love to find those 60 K dps tank marauders on the field. The loot wil be epic. BEcause we will slowly and with patience keep it tackled ( just need to be paying attention).. And keep our ships alive thanks to logis. And eventually it will run out of juice. Since its offensive caabilities are not that great.. its just a matter of time before the marauder dies.